I have never used the word plonker, on account of not being a star of an '80s sitcom.

Amazing that not only Jim Carroll reckons anyone choosing, as Mudcat allows, to remain anonymous says the same as the next anonymous person, but Vic Smith exhibits the same illogical conclusion.

If saying that pop songs can become traditional makes me ageist, I feel I cannot carry any debate with the irrational diatribe coming from Jim Carroll. To defend him may seem a kind notion but makes you look a fool.

I repeat. A pop song can become traditional. That is my view and that is what we have seen in many instances. All the terms are subjective anyway so standing at the shoreline commanding the tide to go away looks as silly now as it did 1200 years ago.