Shimrod (Jack Vance reference?), I am sorry that your bus stopped outside a church that was closed and seemed to indicate a complete waste of effort. I am a member of a church that has been very close to being closed on more than one occasion, and I suspect there are senior people in the denomination it belongs to who would like to see it closed. But the congregation won't have it. They won't have it because the Church, which like the one you saw has fairly faded board giving the Minister's name hosts: an information office for the elderly; a computer centre for whoever needs it including the elderly (people who have been given an iPad by their grandchildren and havn't a clue how it works), jobseekers who need advice on applications; fitness classes for all ages; weightwatchers; cafes offering refreshments and light meals to people who can't afford the prices charged by some commercial outlets; fitness classes for all ages, yoga classes and much much more. This is what I feel the Church should be for. Pete won't agree, and you might think that the market should offer all these things, but I assure you it doesn't.