Ahh Jom - Jim Carroll - 27 Dec 15 - 03:02 PM

1: "This old man's story has changed quite dramatically since the day first introduced us to Tommy Kenny, that story has altered by Jom to cover all the glaring anomalies that have been pointed out to him - Now we have the admission by Jom that Tommy Kenny NEVER, EVER, actually saw anyone being shot by the military police in the situations and circumstances he first described."
Once again you are reduced to simply lying
At no time have I claimed Tommy witnessed and execution – courts martials were not public events, nor were executions
Tommy's account – which you have been given several times, said that men were picked up for walking away from the noise, were tried and sentenced to death."

So all those posts of yours SCREAMING about Military Police and then latterly "Special Squads of Military Policemen" lined up behind our gallant chaps about to "Go Over The Top" with specific instructions to shoot them if they didn't get out of the trenches are just a load of bollocks are they Jom?

Your Tommy Kenny didn't say anything at all about witnessing any Summary executions? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE NOW SAYING? A simple yes or no would suffice.

You did not check whether or not anyone called Thomas Kenny served in the British Army and that is the truth. I FOUND SIX possible candidates - none of whom fitted the profile of the man you described.

Hey Jom your next load of complete and utter bollocks
If there was a push on thy were taken from where they were being held, placed in the front line and if they survived, were then taken out and executed.

Jom NO MAN under arrest OR punishment can bear arms in the British Army - HAVE YOU GOT THAT ? THAT IS A FACT - So what your Tommy described could not have possibly happened - My own Paternal Grandfather survived just because of that fact - that is why I know that what Tommy told you was complete and utter bollocks.

I have been proved a Liar? I don t think so.

Now this one really puzzles me Jom because it only seems to have existed inside your own imagination>

When did you give me your Uncles name.    Please provide the deatils of the post, date and time. First mention of Jerry Carroll if that is indeed his name has been on this thread, in this post – Please prove me wrong – I won't hold my breath.

Harry Patch only did serve three months in France that is a well documented fact. No denigration at all just simply a matter of FACT. Do you have any problem with that?

The average life expectancy was six weeks was it / tell me Jom if that was the case how come only 1 in 10 died?

There is no reason for us not to believe Tommy Kenny served ; we met some of his old mates at his funeral, we saw his photo in uniform – both his and Harry Patch's experiences makes shit of your defence of this squalid bloodbath.

Only thing is Jom you told us that they saw men summarily executed by military policemen when they very clearly and patently didn't.

"You have to explain how this war of attrition – sending wave after wave of young men to their deaths – was not efficient butchery but good leadership"
Jom it is you who believe incorrectly that wave after wave of young men were sent to their deaths our fatalities were less than any other of the 1914 combatant armies how do you think we did did that if we we sent wave after wave of young men to die??
Now we are discussing the leadership of the British Army under Douglas Haig:
The defeat at Loos – F**K All to do with Haig
The Dardanelles – F**k All to do with Douglas Haig
The massive loss of life at the beginning of the Somme – Haig was opposed to the attack on the Somme in 1916 (Matter of record) The British Government and the French High Command insisted on it against Haig's best advice.

"The wrong ammunition fiasco" – 1915 absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Haig

" the internecine in-fighting that was taking place between the wartime Government and the Military...... and all the other sit that happened, can possibly be described as "good leadership"
No hurry – we've waited this long
Jom do you mean reasonable argument against decisions by the British Government, primarily David Lloyd George to place British troops under French command so that French Generals could order British troops to march to their own destruction? As they tried to do on the Somme in July 1916 as they insisted on doing at Passchendaele in 1917?
You've been given the answers many at time and oft Jom – you just ain't prepared to accept them. Just before you forget in November 1918 the victory celebrations were held in Paris and in London – NOT in Vienna or Berlin. If you are involved in a war there is only one thing of any importance – THAT YOU END UP ON THE WINNING SIDE. Our "good leadership" guaranteed that – simple matter of record Jom.