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Thread #158817   Message #3761662
Posted By: Jim Carroll
30-Dec-15 - 03:52 AM
Thread Name: History and mythology of WW1
Subject: RE: History and mythology of WW1
"Jom could you please give us that again in English."
Typos again shipmate - perfectly understandable and you know it
You deliberately launched into a defence of French, who was never an issue, to avoid responding to all the other cock ups - which you have yet to respond to.
There - that'll save you having to ask the nearest five year old to explain it to you.
"Jom you said that Tommy Kenny was a soldier, yet you could not state where he served,"
Wasn't what we were there for - all in his documents (I've told you this several times - even when you sneered at our poor collecting technique)
"I resorted to IWM records and found the service records of six Tommy Kenny's who served in the Army during the Great War"
And you said none were from Liverpool, suggesting that Tmmy lied about his having served.
"What by asking about your Uncle who served in the Second World War??"
You had as much information as you did on Tommy Kenny - more in fact yet you drew a blank, having said it was relatively easy.
You said you were unable to - the "spending good money" is an addition to the equation - is it any wonder that nobody believe a word you say - you make it up as you go along?
"YOU accused the Military Police of forcing men over the top at gunpoint and pointed to Tommy Kenny and your third hand hearsay source as proof"
More misrepresented distortions - I said Tommy Kenny told us that men were forced over the top - by being beaten and sometimes at gunpoint - I didn't suggest it was the Military police who did it to justify anything - I reported the contents of our recordings.
At no time did mention the military police having done so – the only time they got a mention was in their rounding up 'deserters' (shellshocked young man walking away from the noise) and bring them back to stand trial - will you please stop making things up as you go along - it's now getting very silly.
"YOUR story changed to Special Groups of Military Policemen gunning down troops who didn't move quick enough and who returned to British Lines"
Sighhhh - for the umpteenth time, I said no such thing.
The report of military police summarily executing those who didn't go over the top quickly enough came from the website you were linked to by the grandson of a veteran - he even gave the squad a name (which escapes me at present)
You went though somersaults trying to claim this wasn't true so it's hard to believe you have forgotten - once again, stop making things up.
My accounts of what the soldiers had to say about these things came from numerous sources, Tommy Kenny, somebody's Grandfather, Harry Patch, and earlir on, Irish author, Patrick McGill, who fought in the Loos debacle.
What corroboration do you want - the word of somebody who was there suits me far better than a whitewash of century old events which the nation has every reason to be deeply ashamed of.
You have described the men who fought and gave their lives as "liars" as gullible, and now as rumourmongers.
You are obviously not going to respond to any other of the points made (other than to claim that you already have), so unless you learn to sort out fact from fiction, I suggest we're done here.
If you weren't so struttingly and unpleasantly arrogant in trying to pass over your bullshit, perhaps you wouldn't look so stupid when it all collapses around your ears - that goes for the pair of you - though I have to admit that your contrasting styles are amusing - your Bill Sykes to Keith's Uriah Heep.
Keith has had the arrogance to claim that nothing we have to say is worth consideration, yet on every topic where the British establishment comes under criticism – Ireland, unemployment, Israel and now an Imperial War, you both have knee-jerked in defence of the extreme right – get on our bikes when we can't find a job, British industry was shit and not worth saving, the Trades Unions ruined Britain, the miners were thuggish greedy scum.... your arguments are ultra-right in their nature, whatever the topic – that is the political motivation Keith has accused us as having – you are a pair of lone ultra-right voices defending a system that is greedy, corruptly dishonest, wealth and privilege driven and still happy to sacrifice the lives of our youth for the benefit of our "betters" and well past its sell by date – that is as politically biased as it gets.   
Jim Carroll
And to repeat - if you still claim I changed Tommy's story - say where I did