The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #158987   Message #3765558
Posted By: Jim Carroll
14-Jan-16 - 03:04 PM
Thread Name: The singers club and proscription
Subject: RE: The singers club and proscription
"Well if so I didn't witness that but if what you say is true then he should have been ejected or asked to apologise, "
Maybe his should, but he wasn't and he has been defended here in a most insulting and hypocritical manner - it's OK for him to behave as he did - does (not too long ago), but its unacceptable for Ewan so have done so fifty odd years ago - doesn't that count as double-standards in your book?
Likewise - it's OK for people who were never there to attack a club and a quarter century dead singer, but not for me who was there to criticise an evening at a club - double standards again.
My points covered far more that Bob's behaviour - the rest you choose to ifgnore, as you have Bob to date.
I don't think I've ever derided the Singers' Club on here
Didn't say you had Brian - you don't seem the sort.
"However, the Singers' Club is long gone, and beyond harm from even the most malevolent Mudcatter,"
Unfortunately, the myths surrounding the Singers Club have, and are still creating an apparently insurmountable barrier in discussing a valuable (in my opinion) body of work on folk song.
If it were just a matter of who likes what, I really wouldn't bother, but it goes far beyond that and affects much of what has influenced our own work and of my life.
If I didn't believe the music and all its implications was worth fighting for, I really wouldn't be arsed - life really is too short.
As far as The Cellar Upstairs - I am delighted to accept that my view of the club on that particular night was a one-off. I apologise unreservedly to Sheila and all concerned if I have be n any way unfair.
I accept what people here say about the role played by the club.
I do not apologise for describing our experiences, though perhaps I should not have responded to Dick and identified the club I was criticising.
I still find it absolutely outrageous that people should feel free to lay into MacColl and the Singers Club and forbid me from giving my own experinces (not second hand and not dishonest).
It serves only to confirm my somewhat jaundiced opinion of the present revival in Britain - hopefully they will make a better fist of it here in Ireland, where the scene is in its ascendancy.
Jim Carroll