The Mudcat Café TM
Thread #158999   Message #3768228
Posted By: Jim Carroll
26-Jan-16 - 08:20 AM
Thread Name: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
Subject: RE: BS: Terrorism, Again (Israel)
"I accept that I have probably overstated the case on occasion"
We both are guilty of this Mike- it happens in passionate argument
My apologies, when I have.
"it seems to me nevertheless that there have been times when you have at least verged on that 2005 definition of antisemitism"
If that's true we both have - attributing the actions of the Israeli regime to the Jewish People by describing criticism of the actions of that regime as "Antisemitic" - is in breach of the definition.
I have to say I am uneasy about the definition anyway - that you can't compare the actions of the Israeli Government to that of the Nazis, when in some cases it is highly comparable is somewhaat suspect.
Jews as early as Einstein and his fellow signatories, the ex-head of Mossad who stopped short of making such a comparison... and many other examples of loyal Israeli citizens using terms like 'reminiscent to the holocaust' or, 'Ethnic cleansing' - all cast doubt of that particular clause of the definition.
It has recently been amended to take into account what is now happening - much to the anger of the present leadership.
I have at no time directed my criticism at 'The Jews' - I leave that to Netanyahu, Bearded Bruce, and their ilk.
I believe the present leadership, unfortunately with a large following, have betrayed the the ideals of the State of Israel, just as I believe that various "Communist!!!" and "Socialist!!!" leaders beytrayed the dreams of people who believe the world is severely in need of a change for the better.   
I believe the Jews have become just as much victims of the present situation as have the Palestinian and (not to mention those of us who are not involved but are still under the shadow).
I have always spoken out about what I believe has happened to the left - I see no reason not to speak out about what I believe has happened to The State of Israel - just as much a dream of my family upbringing as was Socialism.
Perhaps it's time we called "fainites."
Jim