GfS, I am not talking about serious scientists, nor serious theologians, but about creationists who are neither, but fancy themselves as a bit of each. The likes of John Mackay is who I mean, happy to spout bollocks in churches about science, and to spout bollocks about Christianity in lecture theatres. Except that when faced with someone who really knows about both science and religion, like John Polkinghorne, they run a mile.