Dave, I may not have the lofty academics that many of you have but even I can recognise a fallacy, I think. And I think your is called begging the question. Unless you think I was claiming you can get a PhDs in creationism ! It is whether evolutionism or creationism stands up under scrutiny is the question, and though it may be a denial of the evolutionary gloss of their training, it is not as regards the actual data. Your presupposing creation lacks credibility does not make it so. And it seems to me that though evolutionary academics can wax eloquent on technical details , when presented with even understandable to the layman evidence ,that evolutionism clashes with observational ,testable repeatable science , there has been no good answer , but a claimed expectation that science will provide an answer to the problem