I don't think I am questioning humility or not , stu. Ever heard of groupthink and peer pressure ! But as you think all your colleagues are unbiased , and not shackled to an evolutionist agenda, it may well be that future generations will ask how they were ever taken in by a theory that was contrary to observational and testable science. However, I suspect that what you call collective endeavour is just as likely to be collective censure.   And what about bills link?   If you cannot frame an objection in your own words , I shall not bother addressing it, other than to say I see no reason to equate speculative ideas with in the present science. And the reason I put an ism, on the end is 1, good for the goose..... And 2 , trying to indicate the whole system of belief as opposed to natural selection and such observable occurrence , but which evolutionists like to play bait and switch with.       "......massive, immovable......."   Wot, like evolutionism ,