You forgot to mention the automatic immunity that the Church gets by dint of its exalted Godly position, Jim. All I'd say to you, Joe, is that people should read your recent posts minimising the role of your Church in the evils we've pointed out. Very valiant, but you and your club are bang to rights. Your lot encourage sexual ignorance, your lot condemn the means of avoiding unwanted pregnancy and your lot vilify women who, quite possibly because of the ignorance your lot propagate, need abortions. Your lot almost brush off the massive child sex abuse committed by trusted people as if it's all a minor blip, and you fail to address properly the cover-up. You say in your posts that you oppose this, that and the other, yet you and your kind have failed abysmally to change anything in any significant way. You seem to claim to be fighting from within, but I don't see much sign of any fight. What I do see is denial and defence of the indefensible. Why don't you just leave what's rotten to the core?