I regard Yates as a credible historian, and fail to see why you and Dave question her without producing a anyone who disagrees with her views on this.

I made an assertion, backing it first with a quote from the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, and following up with an extract from a lengthy article by Yates, with a link to the whole piece so it could be seen in context.

Dave says that is not enough to show what Yates' views are on the subject!
What do you want Dave?

You two are just arguing for the sake of it, with no actual challenge to anything I have said or quoted.
Just trolling.