As ever,

1. There is a pollution of this thread now so not much point in carrying it on.

2. Pointing out the pollution gets posts of normal people deleted.

3. The pollution comes out with something outrageously wrong which denigrates people so the shit kickers close the thread in order that pollution has the last word.

With regard to the thread, it is very disturbing the influence of superstition on important subjects that affect real lives in a physical way, not just the mental balance of the poor fuckers caught up in it. It's probably a good thing that the god concept is just the result of fertile imaginations because if it did exist, it would be having a good laugh, considering that if you want a plague of disease that exhibits itself in pregnancy, do it in poor countries trapped in the menacing hold of a population controlling religion.