Thou shalt not murder is a modern retionalisation of the original 'thou shalt not kill' If it is a correction - it took a thousand years or so to correct - a correction of convenience, I would say. If killing for profit is wrong, Keith should be prepared openly to say so. If arms sales, which is in fact profiting from those killing for profit. Keith should be prepared to say so. So far, he has attempted to link Christ's words about having his followers with swords (for defensive purposes) with the arms trade Christians eh - who'd 'ave 'em? Jim Carroll