"It is always atheists who start these debates for and against religion. "
This one was started by a believer Keith - or was she telling lies.
THese arguments invariably start when believers state their beliefs as incontrovertible facts and get challenged
Believers threads have been known to run for months and months.
In the end, it doesn't matter who started them, those who dislike being contradicted should really steer clear of them.
Jim Carroll