Hello? I value being able to express my views in a measured way. You seem to be implying that my priority is to get up people's noses. Not at all. That is a side-effect, and it's a function of the fact that my views are left-wing, atheistic and liberal, which don't chime well with a good number of people's here, mainly Americans. I can't help that. I'm an honest broker who's been here a long time who says what he thinks under his real full name, and you may also note that my longer posts are carefully constructed and painstakingly edited (whether you like them or not), hardly the work of a gadfly. You should be careful to have good reasons for denigrating people, and merely disagreeing may not in itself be sufficient. There is a definite pejorative tone in one of your paragraphs above. I've tried to explain why I think you're out of order, but I'll confine my retaliation to saying that you need to ditch your underlying bitterness. I'm a big, cuddly bunny in real life, and I'm not joking. I never see people here in two dimensions, not Joe, not Teribus, not Keith. They all have their complicated sides that I don't understand and there are good reasons for the way they are that I also don't understand. Me too. And you. In a real community, you don't talk past people. You try to find out what makes them tick. You've kept me up rather late. And so to bed!