You are misunderstanding the exchange I had with Jack. I am not saying that ornamentation (and variation while we're at it) should be learned as part of the tune (because it IS the tune), nor am I saying that the same ornamentation should be played over and over again. The very opposite, if you read my last post. I'm actually arguing AGAINST rigidity, which has no place in the playing of the tunes. I don't learn to drive by getting in the car and making it go forward in a straight line, then learn about the gears and brakes later. The gears and brakes constitute an integral part of driving the car. You learn about ornamentation and variation by playing with and listening to good players of your genre, getting the music under your belt as an organic whole and developing your own style, flexibility and confidence. I understand what you say about about different learning systems, but I think that you make it much harder for yourself if you learn a tune first as a separate process from using ornamentation. In fact, I can't do it, and I wouldn't mind betting that you, as an experienced musician who has learned hundreds of tunes, don't do it that way either. So why advise anyone else to do it?