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Thread #45911 Message #3786259
Posted By: Jim Carroll
20-Apr-16 - 09:14 AM
Thread Name: BS: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
Subject: RE: Easter Rising - April 24-29, 1916
This becomes ridiculous
You scoop the net for a few minutes and disprove all the photographic evidence, all the eye-witness accounts accounts and everything that has appeared on our screens over the last few months.
The indiscriminate destruction is both obvious and well confirmed in Irish history and largely unchallenged.
I asked where you get your information (having already made your claims) so you hastily scurry around and come up with - well nothing really.
You've seen the damage that was not done by rifle fire, you know the weapons that can not be used in any way other than indiscriminately.
There is no reason to think the army did not act in any other way than described that is the way the responded to opposition to British rule.
You have been diven the details of the razing of Cork City and to the behaviour of the troops in Clare. - you choose not to comment.
You have attempted to denigrate the centenary we are celebrating here in Ireland with smoke and mirrors and the usual jingoism.
Where are you getting your information on for any of this apart from your lightning visits to the net?
Regarding the Home Rule Treaty, which you claim to have been signed sealed and delivered, I was re-reading Robert Kee's impressive, 'Ourselves Alone', volume three of his trilogy, 'The Green Flag'.
The agreement was that six counties would be partitioned till the end of the war, when a period of one year would be given to arrange for complete unification.
The new agreement, which Redmond and his fellow Parliamentarians rejected was for permanent partition.
This is how Kee described the state of the Treaty in July, following the Uprising.
The Treaty was nothing like agreed to at the time of The Risisng.
I have no doubt you will ignore this as you have everything else that has been put up.
Robert Kee is a British Historian who is an acknowledged expert on Irish political history.
Jim Carroll
"Though Carson stuck loyally to his new position, a massive opposition to the whole scheme for putting Home Rule into operation at all was now mounted by the English Conservative Party and many of its leaders inside the coalition cabinet. 'They are all in it, ' Lloyd George wrote disarmingly to Dillon, 'except Balfour, Bonar Law and F. E. Smith. Long has behaved in a specially treacherous manner. He has actually been engaged clandestinely in trying to undermine the influence of Carson in Ulster.... He told them there was no war urgency, no prospect of trouble in America I could not think it possible that any man, least of all one with such pretensions of being an English gentleman, could have acted in such a way. '48
But Lloyd George, without any such pretensions, was hardly acting better and both doubtless were doing what they thought best. Long had many other English gentlemen to support him. Lord Selborne at least resigned from the cabinet at the prospect of having to be a party to the immediate implementation of Home Rule. Bonar Law had to bow before the Conservatives of the Carlton Club, who were unable to give him their support for the proposals. On 11 July Lord Lansdowne, another member of the cabinet, finally forced Lloyd George's hand when he stated in the House of Lords that in his view any proposed alteration to the Act of 1914 would be 'permanent and enduring'. 49"