Yes, Keith, 2014. Yes you did quote from the Guardian article. Later, presumably hoping we wouldn't bother checking, you blatantly misrepresented it, putting words into Wheatcroft's mouth that he never uttered, let alone meant. You twisted and turned, you told us you were only "speaking generally" and you did not recant or apologise. Further, your ally Teribus (who actually went a bit quiet on you, having realised what you'd done) eventually came out and gave you his very lukewarm support. If I make a mistake here I acknowledge it to the forum and, if necessary, apologise. In every instance, that makes it go away, I've found. The fact that you won't ever do that speaks volumes about your reliability and honesty. The whole sorry episode didn't exactly reflect well on Teribus, either. This is not throwing muck. This is stating the truth of the matter that you refuse to acknowledge.