Nothing from you either, Keith. You just quote other peoples work

Not true at all Dave.
I expressed my views in my first post, but Jim rubbished them so I backed them with the findings of historians.

Have you expressed any views on the rising at all?
Do you have any?
You, Steve and Greg only come to the thread to stir up off-topic arguments.
Why do you do that? It is trolling.
Please stop.