And what if I don't agree that Israel should be referred to as "the Jewish state," knowing as I do that at least a quarter of its citizens are not Jewish and that a good number of the rest do not adhere to the Jewish religion? Keith, the reason that you and Israel refer to Israel as the Jewish state is so that you and they can protest that we're attacking "the Jewish state," when all along we are attacking the Israeli regime's abuses towards the Palestinians. You want us to look antisemitic when we are no such thing. You are trying, dishonestly, to widen the meaning of antisemitism, which can only be attacking Jews BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS. When we attack the actions of a state, or at least of its regime, we are doing so because we think that they are doing bad things. Not because they are Jewish. We can discuss other states' bad behaviour in a different context. We often do: in the "Rising" thread I attacked the US for its foreign policy abuses. But this thread revolves around questions of antisemitism, therefore it tends to be in large part about Israelis, Jews and people who may seem to oppose them. I don't see why I should have to balance my accusations against the Israeli regime and the Israel lobby by cataloguing the abuses of other nations every time just to keep you happy. You are the first to moan and groan about thread drift, remember? As for holding Israel to different standards, we treat them to a different, more privileged standard, especially in providing massive military aid. I'm saying that that should come with conditions attached. I also think we should stop selling arms to Saudi Arabia, and training their military, until they stop their human rights abuses. If I give a child a toy, only to find that he then uses it to beat his little sister over the head, I won't let him him keep the toy. Are you happy now?