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Thread #159827   Message #3789604
Posted By: Steve Shaw
10-May-16 - 12:17 PM
Thread Name: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
"Steve, I am not accusing you of all the things you say I am, just that you do not seem to want Jews to have a homeland, a Jewish State."

Not once, in all the thousands of posts in this forum, nor inside my brain, in all of my three score years and four, have I EVER expressed or alluded to the notion that Jews should not have their homeland. You betray once again your utter lack of any interpretive powers whatsoever. What I do say is that referring to a country that is a quarter non-Jewish as a Jewish state, by you, me, the UN, Jews inside or outside Israel or anybody else is not accurate. Further, it is likely to lead to discrimination against non-Jews. That discrimination certainly occurs, the name they give their state may have little to do with that, but it can't be helping. I'll not be accused of post hoc ergo propter hoc.

As for this:

"....The Jews were given one by the UN in 1948, and they will not give it up without a fight to the end."

Well there you are. Fight to the end. That's exactly the way to make ordinary Israelis feel happy and secure, isn't it, not to speak of the people who live in neighbouring states. No talk of making peace, of compromise, of getting round the table. Of course, as the military aid from the US is unconditional, they don't have to do any of that. But, by God, they can fight, fight, fight, right to the end, with all that mighty weaponry. And they will.