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Thread #159827   Message #3793368
Posted By: Jim Carroll
02-Jun-16 - 07:45 AM
Thread Name: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
"Jim, I substantiated that stuff with quotes."
Sure you did Keith - don't you always select the best on offer?
Once more you hide behind the result of your internet trawls and refuse to respond to the implications of where they came from and why they are there in the first place.
Something else you will ignore
Traditionally the left parties and activists have championed the rights of other races, have been on the forefront of the fight agaists racism and Antisemitism... and most other progressive movements.
It is you extremists who have traditionally taken the other side - racism, Antisemitism, cultural hatred - all the domain of the right - it was the right who drove six million Jews into the gas chambers.
If the Labour party have no become Antisemitic in their outlook, it is because they have embraced Tory values - SFA to do with the ideals of Labour.
This is a double whammy for people like you - you get to defend your favourite terrorist state while at the same tim, get a chance to smear the only hope Britain has of having a half decent and humane political party'
Feel free to ignore this - it really wasn't for your benefit.

Tried to post this response to Steve earlier, but apparently Max is still having his problems, Gawd bless 'im.

I think it's a bit irrelevant to plouter around whether it was Jews, Gentiles, Muslims or whoever who were involved in Slavery or helped Hitler's rise to power - not necessarily or wholly inaccurate, but, given the present circumstances, somewhat inflammatory - one of Livingstone's boo-boos, but understandable given that Israel is forefront in blaming the Jewish people for the human rights abuses and war crimes it has committed and continues to commit.
There were Jews who opposed slavery, who fought for freedom for all; in my father's time and in mine, the British and American left was made up of large sections of Jews - revolutionaries, liberals, 'do-gooders' people who wanted to make the world a better place to live in - try the early novels of Howard Fast or the plays of Arthur Miller some time, still inspirational enough to be life-changing (and certainly not to people like Keith's taste).
We far-too-often equate all groups and communities with those who have made it to the top of the greasy pole, while forgetting that all communities have their dedicated heroes and fighters for human rights.
My dad once said that, if it wasn't for lapsed Catholics and Jews we wouldn't have a left movement in Britain and it would be a far lousier world without them - many of his mate who fought with him in Spain were refugees from Fascist Germany.
I don't believe for one minute that The Labour Party is full of Anti-semites - that is a myth generated by the propaganda machine which has been set up to defend the Israeli ultra-right policies - doesn't the claim that "all criticism of Israeli policy is Antisemitic" have chilling echoes of the thirties' "Jewish world plot"?
All Keith's and Bobad's claims are traceable back to Israel's fact-manufacturing factory - it really was money well-spent on this pair
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P.S
It will be interesting if these fall under the new restrictions of the new definition of "Antisemitism
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