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Thread #159827   Message #3794199
Posted By: Steve Shaw
07-Jun-16 - 05:51 AM
Thread Name: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Well now, Teribus wades in with his "secret suspensions" angle. Google "Labour secret suspensions", or "Labour 50 suspensions", what do you get? No, really try it! The Daily Torygraph and a bunch of references to the Israeli press bigging up the "secrecy," or something in the Sun. Isn't it amazing how the "secret" didn't last! You see, Teribus, there is a difference between, on the one hand, doing a big secret conspiratorial cover-up thing and, on the other hand, not shouting names from the rooftops of people who are being investigated but not yet shown to be guilty of anything. The Labour Party has recognised that there is an issue and is taking action to investigate it and ultimately root out anyone shown to be guilty. I call that highly responsible. The Catholic Church has been riddled with antisemitism for centuries. Do you think we need an enquiry then? What about the Tories? UKIP? Who's being responsible?

You want examples of your misquotes, Keith? Geoffrey Wheatcroft wrote about AJP Taylor's book being rather vulgar and Clark's being largely fraudulent. You very helpfully " interpreted" that for us by telling us that he'd said they were both fraudulent. That's what you said, in one of your posts. You refused to correct this serious misrepresentation over and over again. In fact, you told us it was OK because you'd quoted the quote elsewhere and in any case were "only speaking generally." In other words, it's fine to lie in one place as long as you tell the truth in another. Well I call that totally unreliable and untrustworthy behaviour, and I won't drop it until you acknowledge the error, after which I'll never mention it again. In this thread you misquoted Jackie Butler by leaving relevant parts of her remarks out in a clear attempt to make what she said look worse than it was. It's all up there in the thread. I took you to pieces on that and, again, you failed to acknowledge your error. You tried to bracket me with people who I said are ardently pro-Israel by omitting "ardently," a clear misrepresentation. This is what you do, and we spend half the bloody time not debating with you but telling you to tell the truth. You lied over and over again this thread about EU "antisemitism guidelines" that are no such thing, but Keith dearly loves them and wants them to be real, but the only "proof" he could provide was that an internal EU quango was still using them unofficially, a setup that is "advised" by a whole bunch of pro-Israel lobby groups. And to cap it all you enthusiastically ally yourself to the most fraudulent bigot on this board. You seriously need to sort yourself out, mate.