Oh dear. And then you said he said they were both "fraudulent." See above. He didn't. I proved that you said he said it and I proved that he never said it. What more can a chap do. Do you see it now, Keith? A misquote by any measure you like, saying that he said they were both "fraudulent" when he actually said nothing of the sort. It doesn't matter what you said in your other posts. In that post you were badly wrong. You see, Keith, this is your problem. When confronted with the stark reality you simply can't take it on board. A very bad character trait, and the reason we can't trust a single thing you ever say. What a way to live, Keith. It would be nice to be not called a liar by a liar when I'm telling the whole truth, by the way. Face it, Keith. you've made yourself a laughing stock.