Ok donuel, if I follow your argument......hoyles analogy is invalid, and that the 747 only appears after the eons of evolution. I would argue that the analogy is even stronger now, than it was then. Since then, the cell and the DNA code is known to be far more complex than perhaps any engineering marvel. The difference is , is that evolutionism thinks that time , given enough millennia will be its saviour. Perhaps they think that given enough time , tornadoes or whatever would produce a 747, or something equally or more so designed. Or to use Dawkins words ...having the appearance of being designed !