Somehow joe, I can't imagine the early church martyrs dying for something they did,nt take literally ( by which i am presuming to mean that the narrative and events are to be plainly understood)       I find Steves post to be lacking in logic. The premise that God is, or the premise that he is not , are both beyond absolute proof. However, if we take the premise that there is a God , his creation is not an illogical concept.. Take the premise that there is no creator God and we have the position of believing everything came from nothing. Whether, to say that there must be some cause other than a creator/prime mover , but we don't know what it is yet is logical or not would probably depend on the worldview of an individual . I reckon , that since it is not known, it is a faith statement. I don't see how that can be thought of as a motor logical position.