I would like to remind participants to stick to the topic of discussion. If you disagree with what somebody says here at Mudcat, here and in all other threads, post a logical rebuttal. If somebody posts something you consider detestable, consider it an opportunity to post a rational response. Name-calling and telling people to piss off, doesn't add anything to the discussion. Even though in many or most cases it's clear that you're right, personal attacks add nothing to a discussion. Yes, Steve, I found out through extended IP research that Bobad posted as an anonymous guest for a long time, but that time is over now and nothing can be done about it. The time is now - address his comments directly, not by bringing up the past. I had to delete a lot of really stupid messages from this thread. The next step is to give out one-week suspensions. I've notified two people that they are at the top of the list. -Joe Offer-