Steve - fair enough.. but I can count ideas gleaned from talking to the worst kinds of people as some quality of learning experience..

it's what I used to do when much younger and more active...

I didn't follow a traditional middle class career path after my degree [stupid really - that's why I've been so skint all my life, and have such a diminished vocabulary now]

but lived, worked, and socialised with all sorts of working class reactionaries, very similar to the kind that Labour lost support from,
who voted for 'Leave' in the former heavy industrial areas...

When I was 23, sharing a bacon breakfast with a NF supporting workmate was a very enlightening experience at getting to know first hand the mind set of the 'enemy '...

When I was post grad, a lecturer was even encouraging me to delve deeper 'under cover' with a photography project,
as he insisted "I could communicate in the vernacular that middle class conformist students could not...."
That's thinking back to the radical "Education Photography" movement of the 80s..

That's the MA I failed to complete for health & finance issues..

So that's another of my ingrained 'foibles' trying to find common ground, and potential for progression with the kind of people we find appalling...

Something Labour needs to face up to in the near future ...???

I guess I'm too f@cking naive still...