When examining itself Shaw the "Left" don't do "blame" - their mantra after all is that it is - "Always someone else's fault" - which is why they say that there has never been a "truly socialist" government - because to some extent or other they have all failed to deliver.

Keith A's quotes from Naz Shah about her "anti-Semitic" comments, that you said you acknowledged - don't they count Steve?

As for searching through your posts? Naw not today got too much planned and too busy enjoying myself.

One for Raggy to ponder though on "Palestine" and "Palestinians" both of which were "invented" by Yasser Arafat in the early 1970s when he lost his "open cheque" backing from the former front-line Arab States. If what your pal Shaw says about references to Israel including both Arab, non-Jewish and Jewish citizens, then obviously any reference to "Palestine" and "Palestinians" must include everyone who lives there the Jews of "Palestine" as well as the Arabs and non-Arabs. Best show me a map of this Palestine of yours Raggy, preferably one from the PA, Hamas or Hezbollah that shows clearly these two-states, Israel and Palestine, that form this two-state solution they say they are "fighting" for.