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Posted By: Teribus
31-Jul-16 - 07:05 AM
Thread Name: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Jim Carroll - 31 Jul 16 - 03:14 AM

Thanks for the link Jom - proves the points I am trying to make admirably.

With the Labour debacle over anti-Semitism, violent behaviour, misogyny, etc we have been told of allegations and no names have been named and the Royall report requested by Labour's NEC will not be published. The Chakrabarti Inquiry basically serves as to draw a line under the issues and one of its recommendations closes the doors an any investigation of incidents prior to her investigation and submission of her report (That would in effect mean that the vast majority of the incidents linked to by Jom would not be investigated by the Labour Party today). Within the membership of the Labour Party there were some 50 suspensions and I can only recall one named individual - Naz Shah who admitted and apologised for her comments and behaviour and that was considered sufficient.

Jom's link details 27 instances involving 25 individuals who are ALL named. Jom deplores the lack of investigation and action taken - Let's take a look at them:

1: Apology made (Good enough for Labour with Naz Shah good enough for the Conservatives)

2: Apology made - ditto above

3: Apology made - ditto above

4: There was an investigation and the offender was forced to make a public apology.

5: There was an investigation and the offender was forced to make an apology and attend "Diversity Training"

6: Offender forced to make an official apology

7: Offender suspended from the Conservative Party

8: Council decision that no action be taken

9: Expression of opinion

10: Offender suspended from the Conservative Party

11: Offender sacked from his job within the Party, full investigation ordered and carried out, subject of the investigation cleared by the Inquiry.

12: Incident investigated by the Police and subject of the investigation cleared by the police.

13: A joke at the expense of "political correctness", an extremely poor one, although quite accurate, but nonetheless a joke told in private.

14: Offender resigned

15: Account contradictory UCL Conservative Society was investigated and apologies were made.

16: Offender resigned

17: Expression of a personal opinion. Expressing your opinion does not make policy it does not constitute fact.

18: Offender apologised and was suspended from the Party.

19: Offender apologised

20: Storm in a teacup. No action could be taken by the council as the alleged "offender" although he had been elected he had not yet signed the "Declaration of Office" so Council could not take any official action - all explained at the time. The Police who did investigate described the complaint as "pathetic" and remarked that there was nothing to investigate particularly after questioning the two people who were alleged to have been racially abused - Rav Thakir ("The Indian") did not regard the remark as racist and Councillor Thonk ("The Chink") regarded it as light hearted humour, the person who made the remarks having referred to himself as "The Whitey" The incident arose at the election of three Conservative Councillors who happened to win seats that Labour supporters thought they should have held - the police received only two complaints and they did investigate - no case to answer.

21: Offender suspended from the Party.

22: No case to answer. The remarks were made in 1985 and the actions of those who participated in the Broadwater Farm Riots did display "Bad moral attitudes"

23: Politicians poor choice of words certainly not racist, anti-Semitic, islamophobic or anything else.

24: Offender apologised and warnings issued by Conservative Party regarding choice of wording in online communications.

25: No action, exercise in free speech. Factually correct statement relating to Barak Obama on both counts.

26: Offender expelled from the Party

27: Offender suspended from the Party.

All 25 individuals named and shamed whether they were guilty as charged or not. The contention was that no action was taken whereas the truth was that rather a lot of action was taken - and we, the public, sure as hell know a great deal more about these 27 instances than we do about what has been happening within the Labour camp where there were at least 50 suspensions.