Jim Carroll - 13 Aug 16 - 04:04 AM

1: "Point is though Jom - you believe it."

"Point is - I have no reason not to believe it."

Just as when it comes to allegations of racism, intimidation, misogyny existing within the Labour Party under Corbyn I have every reason to believe it. The difference of course being while your beliefs are based on second hand reports of overheard conversations in pubs with nobody identified and nothing corroborated, mine are based upon the findings of not one but two reports, the numerous recommendations and actions, all backed up by concerns voiced by what appears to be an ever increasing number of named sources from within the Labour Party.

I also have every reason to believe in the shot integrity of the second of those reports mentioned above, and in my belief in there having been a cover-up, whitewash and pay-off. The one carried out by Shami Chakrabarti who went from non-party member, independent human rights lawyer to Labour Peer in just 14 weeks after having been given the job. Where you are prepared to accept unsubstantiated rumour, I am not. I also am not a great believer in coincidences.

2: Your whole story about summary executions is a MYTH - IT NEVER HAPPENED - Not one single instance of it ever having happened and believe me if it had it would have been recorded by someone, it would have been talked about. The allegedly "executed" men would have had friends, those who carried out these alleged "executions" would have been identifiable and every single detail would be etched into the memories of any witness. Every single British Soldier executed during the First World War is named, none were subject to summary execution.

Tell me Jom what happened to your tales about men being shot if they didn't get out of their trenches quickly enough?

Your Tommy Kenny Story - "That story was recorded during a three-day session made by me, John Faulkner and Sandra Kerr in 1969 and is lodged in The British Library, with the rest of our collection."

Ever heard the expression "Shit in - Shit out"? You didn't bother to make even the most rudimentary checks on anything the man told you.

3: The "summary executions" argument came from an item posted on the internet by the grandson of a WW1 veteran; it was based on an extract from his grandfather's diary which claimed that there were summary executions taking place during WW1 carried out by specially assigned groups of military police.
Unlike your refusal to provide backing to your claims, I posted the item and gave the link.
My only claim was that, as a similar incident was used during a serial entitled 'The Village', set during W.W.1., the practice was not isolated to the diary extract.

Yet this veteran could not give a name, was he the one doing the shooting perhaps? You gave the link to what? The story of the grandson and the diary entry? That proves absolutely nothing. The IWM has thousands of diaries written by soldiers and guess what Jom, not one single instance of "summary executions" in the British Army. In the records of the Judge Advocates Department there are no mention of "summary executions". In Regimental Records and histories there are no instances of "Summary Executions" having ever taken place.

Not a single soldier in the British Army was executed in the United Kingdom during the First World Was and just because it was shown on a Television Programme does not constitute evidence that it ever happened in real life.

4: "Wrong Shells" Kitchener built the Army and the munitions supply chain that defeated the Germans, David Lloyd George stepped in to take the credit after Kitchener had done the spade work.

5: "I forgot nothing - I posted the link."

Ah you mean just as Keith A did with the "Wheatcroft debacle" that Shaw is always rabbiting on about?

6: The argument was about that antisemitism among establishment figures during the war

What establishment figures? What positions did they hold? In what way did their anti-Semitism manifest itself? You provided details of the names in the "Red Book" numbering some 250 people, all known to the intelligence and security services, in a population of over 47 million. None of those names were in any position of power or influence. Ever come across the concept of perspective Jom?