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Thread #159827   Message #3806081
Posted By: Steve Shaw
21-Aug-16 - 12:29 PM
Thread Name: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Subject: RE: BS: (UK) Whither the Labour Party
Give me any quote from any LABOUR OFFICIAL that she was suspended FOR ANTISEMITIC STATEMENTS. That's what you've just said. Not suspected antisemitic statements and not alleged antisemitic statements. So let's be having it. Not the first time you've been asked, either.

Like Ken Livingstone, I found none of her comments to be antisemitic, not even the one about "the Jews are rallying." Her own remarks in the BBC interview were:

"One of the tough conversations I had to have with myself was about, God, am I anti-Semitic?

"And I had to really question my heart of hearts. Yes, I have ignorance, yes everybody has prejudice, sub conscious biases, but does that make me anti-Semitic? And the answer was no, I do not have a hatred of Jewish people."

Her remarks were inflammatory, inexcusable, immature, stupid, mistimed and ignorant. But antisemitism means hating Jews BECAUSE THEY ARE JEWS. That does not include stating what Jews are actually doing, as long as what is being said is true, though she didn't half choose her moment badly. If I say that most Israeli Jews rally round their leaders, that is true but I can think of a million better ways of saying it. But she was speaking as a Muslim at a time when the Israeli regime were perpetrating outrages in Gaza (which you and the rest of your Islamophobic cohort don't accept, of course) against her fellow Muslims. She has backed down, apologised, grown up a bit and she has been reinstated. That is how it is. If you think it's wrong, tough. It's not your party. Take out a civil summons against her for hate speech, which is what real antisemitism is. Go on, piss or get off the pot. You want to big up a flash-in-the-pan incident whilst ignoring the far worse racism and probable criminality on your own side just because you don't like Muslims and will never hear a single word of criticism about the Israeli regime. Now just get over yourself. And the reason we are including Israel is because you and you extremist friends here WANT TO INCLUDE ANY CRITICISM AT ALL OF THE ACTIONS OF THE ISRAELI STATE AS ANTISEMITISM. That's the way the various pro-Israeli factions in the Labour Party and elsewhere want it, and your cheerleaders are the Israeli regime. So you can just drop that particular bit of dishonest bleating as well.