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Thread #149044   Message #3806225
Posted By: beardedbruce
22-Aug-16 - 03:37 PM
Thread Name: BS: It's global warming, stupid!
Subject: RE: BS: It's global warming, stupid!
From a posting on a news site:

"1) It is not clear that the earth is actually warming in any statistically significant way. Data sets used to show warming are highly adjusted and filled with interpolations to fill in and replace missing or incongruent data. The instruments used to gather the data are not located in sufficient numbers or over a geographically represented area to calculate an average with sufficient precision to calculate an average temperature today and much less so historically.
2) It is impossible to conclude what % of any warming is human caused. We are in an inter-glacial period of an Ice Age and we have been steadily warming for the past 10,000 years. We are not yet even to the Earth's geological average temperature. The average state of the Earth has no ice at either pole.
3) Warming itself is not shown to be harmful let alone "catastrophic." Historically, all life has done significantly better during the earth's warmer periods. We are not experiencing any statistical increase in extreme weather, floods, fire or drought. Sea level rise is at or near the 100+ year average showing no material acceleration. Global food production is at an all-time high.
4) In contrast, a colder planet would be very harmful to all life. If it were possible to warm the planet and offset the inevitable return to glaciation with increased production of clean CO2, we should.
5) None of the regulations by the EPA, proposals by Obama Admin or even the IPCC would have a material impact on the project global increase in temperature (less than .05 degrees over 50 years). The costs of these changes are $trillions. This money would be better spent on projects like mosquito abatement or virus immunizations."


I DO NOT agree with all of this- IMHO, there is an indication of climate change occurring, but not driven by man-made sources.


Some additional points to think about...

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/wp/2015/11/04/the-insiders-inconvenient-numbers-for-the-global-warming-crowd/

http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/noaa-record-temperatures-nothing-to-worry-about/

http://www.investors.com/politics/commentary/climate-change-racket-only-believers-receive-grants/

http://arstechnica.com/science/2015/07/no-scientists-arent-predicting-10ft-higher-sea-level-by-2050/

http://www.upi.com/Top_News/World-News/2015/07/11/Earth-heading-for-mini-ice-age-in-just-15-years-scientists-say/2751436649025/

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-will-not-be-dangerous-for-a-long-time/


http://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/another-climate-alarmist-admits-real-motive-behind-warming-scare/

http://thefederalist.com/2015/11/09/the-climate-change-inquisition-begins/

http://www.investors.com/global-warming-solutions-same-as-global-cooling-cures/?ref=SeeAlso

http://cnsnews.com/commentary/robert-m-carter/global-warming-alarmist-rhetoric-propaganda-and-dishonesty-heats-paris

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-will-not-be-dangerous-for-a-long-time/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jamestaylor/2016/04/13/another-survey-of-meteorologists-undercuts-climate-alarmism/#5b9432aa627f

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/energy-environment/252004-even-if-you-buy-the-science-the-policy-still-fails




To state my OPINION

Climate change is real and will occur regardless of what we are doing. ( In case of nuclear war, this will change)

the change is driven primarily by natural and non-anthropomorphic causes- The amount of greenhouse gases produced by mankind and our civilization ( cows, etc) is dwarfed by natural causes such as volcanoes and naturally occurring fires

We SHOULD be spending our money and efforts to allow for the inevitable changes to our climate, rather than to try to change that climate. If sea levels will rise, it makes more sense to spend money to relocate people ( which works whether the sea level rises or not ) rather than to spend huge efforts on trying to stop that rise. I had thought the since Canute the politicians had figured that out.

When there ore indications of climate change on Mars ( ice cap reduction ) and Jupiter ( Red spot changes for the first time in 400 years ( twice the time of the temperature records being used to justify "climate change alarmists" ) I do not see mankind as a significant contributor to climate change.

The present models have 95% of them showing greater than actual MEASURED temperature changes- Hardly a claim of accurate or correct modelling. This shows a bias in the models.

Looking at the 650 megayear or so cycle ( over the last 2,000 megayears) MOST of the time the earth has been warmer and NOT had an ice cap.

Either we are entering a new "hot" period, or we are having those climate swings that would indicate another ice age. In either case, it makes far more sense to use resources to ADAPT TO THE CHANGES than to try without any hope of success to change to climate to some fixed point.