I don't care what people think of me and the other "usual suspects," as we've been characterised, though almost never named. A troll is not an argumentative person who just so happens to not fit in with your personal establishment/orthodox religious/right-wing views. A troll is someone who posts provocative and brainless remarks with the SOLE AIM of getting an emotional response. As simple as that. Lots of people here, such as Teribus, akenaton and Pete, post brainless remarks which are not necessarily deliberately provocative - just stupid. Bobad and Keith are archetypal trolls because they post remarks that are bigoted, repetitively so in most cases, and designed to get responses that show up the responders to be angry and frustrated. That is their modus operandi and that is precisely what trolling is all about. If you can bear it, and I wouldn't blame you if you can't, just look at the way they have resurrected the Labour thread that has been toxic for weeks and which should have been allowed to sink into the mire. But they can't resist. That's precisely what trolls do. We are bloody idiots for failing to ignore them. Now I happen to think that this is a rather stupid and navel-gazing thread, and as far as I'm concerned I shall say no more. And that's a promise that I've never seen a troll making. And just see if I don't keep it.