So it is of the period and dismissive of the leadership? I am not sure if I fully understand the point about it being 'black humour' and why that is differently dismissive but, as you say, this is not the thread.

I will start the thread you suggest if you like but I suspect that it would soon degenerate into the type of circular argument that keeps me above the line nowadays. I shall post the examples you give as a starter and maybe the second post could be why you feel these are not suitable?

Thanks anyway.

Dave