Subject: RE: BS: What does 'anti-semitism' mean?
From: Jim Carroll - PM
Date: 16 Oct 16 - 04:18 AM

"Jim: I do not think you need to make me such an offer nor do I need to engage it."
Nor do you need to sling your accusations of "antisemitism" about - that doesn't stop you from doing so
I used the term "Jew-baiting" because I was seeing what had begun as some interesting comments degenerating into repetitive ad-hominem attacks including some scatology which I did not think was helpful or appropriate. I used no names and did not accuse you of "antisemitism". (However "the guilty flee where no man pursueth")

"It's a fact of life that Jews have lived with since Adam was a cowboy."
Interesting statement from someone from the U.S. - remind me how long the Native Americans occupied your continent.
In Alaska they imply that it's forever. Practically speaking their practical options would be to be to have either Russian or English as their lingua franca. What happened to many natives under various Christian school systems to take away their language and culture wasn'
t pretty. What happened to the Aleuts under the Russians was even less so.

Liking or disliking people or religions doesn't come into this argument; it's a matter of how we react to others as human beings - which is exactly what this is all about.
Sounds very nice but refer to the thread title and OP.

We could have sat on our hands and done nothing when Hitler began persecution the Jews - in Britain's and America's case, our political administrations did - here in Britain, some took to the streets to prevent it happening there - my family among them - my father went to war in 1937 and became a "premature anti-fascist" according to MI5 - his life was ruined for nearly two decades for his doing so.
I get involved in these arguments because I agree totally with the Holocaust survivor friend who once told me "never again - not for anybody".
I find this honourable. Obviously not you, but The English have a long sad streak of antisemitism for the last few hundred years but it was an English antisemtism ("we don't like 'em but we don't believe in killing them") which I find rather touching-no joke. The English played a major part in saving Jews after Hitler assumed Chancellorship and the Nazis started passing a huge range of anti-Jewish legislation. I once found myself studying in a legal library which had some of these legal books on their shelves.

If you believe me to be an antisemite, as you have said -have the good manners to justify your accusation - otherwise, don't make it.
We have far too many trolls on this forum as it is.
Agreed. But I made my comment on the appearance of things to me and did not accuse anyone specifically of being antisemitic because it can become an entry to a hall of mirrors. Remember my feeling is that may people who do not like Jews have often become moral heroes when it comes to action. The people who helped feed Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto were often criminals who sold them food and weapons, but without them fewer would have survived or been able to die fighting.

We also have a tiny band of genuine antisemites who are prepared to put the interests of an extremist right-wing administration over those of The Jewish People as a whole (including the "self-hating" ones) - how about commenting on them instead of backing them up?
Are you making a reference to those who support the State of Israel in these forums beyond what you consider justified? We may not agree in all particulars but that does not lessen our common humanity.