there IS no talking with "Trump supporters" since they have no connection with fact or reality- attempting to engage them in rationl discourse is an exercise in futility.

I somehow get the impression from the way you express yourself Greg that you are unlikely to have actually talked to any Trump supporters. If I'm wrong and your aversion arises from being surrounded by them, I apologise.

(Nor have I, but living in England the occasion has not arisen. Even among those who voted for Brexit there appear to be remarkably few who view the man with anything but amused contempt.)