re:OP
The Nov 13 programme is now available -
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b082k9db 

"The black mill is bustling and everybody wants to dance..."

Downloadable if you get it from
BBC iPlayer Radio on
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=bbc+media+player 
...search for 'New Generation Thinkers' -