AND another thing. Henry, I don't think anyone is suggesting that Bert's rules should apply to the songs in the database. (Some of the songs in the database do have copyright notices.) Those rules are suggested for songs whose authors post them in the forum here or add links to them. (Would there be a "standard Mudcat copyright notice" available from a link on the homepage, so that people who like Bert's rules could post songs and just say, "Standard Mudcat rules apply"?)