Ah, but I put it far better than you did, Keith. Unlike you, I don't feel the need to be nice to Tories. And yes the pledge was challenged, or discussed, before the result. I knew months before that the vote was advisory only, and a number of other people here also knew. That was even a pre-vote discussion programme on the Beeb about just that, though for the life of me I can't remember who it was or when it was on - I was in my car coming back from somewhere or other at the time. You just weren't keeping up. There was no outcry because almost every man and almost all his dogs thought we were staying, in which case there was no squabble to be had. Then, as we all know, Cameron woke up dead.