no McGrath i haven't, have you ever seen the pictures of their victims, or spent hours, which add up to days, which add up to weeks, counseling victims of abuse, sexual or phsical. I have. but at this point I'm done arguing. I do want to bring this up though. Somewhere in here someone mentioned that human error needs to be taken into account when arguing the the death penalty. Because there is some doubt that, in regardless of the facts, that someone is guilty. It's a valid point, but what about rehabilitation. This is also based on HUMAN perception. All you need is a clever predator or a gullible offical, and you have a rapist, child molester or murderer out on the street lookin for another victim. In my opinion, Rapists and molesters never reform.

Hobie