Well of course I was using Keith's Wheatcroft fiasco as a typical example of how he blunders then refuses to retract, not wishing to reopen the whole thing. The whole thing is there in a thread, chapter and verse, for anyone who'd like to put themselves through torture for half an hour. There's more evidence in his posting since my last post of his sadly obsessive behaviour. Fifty percent right means fifty percent wrong. Glad you admitted that on Keith's behalf. Keith never did. As I've said here many times, the unspoken protocol here when you admit to making a mistake, as we all do occasionally, is that the rest of us then let it drop. Someone who can't hold their hands up when they blunder is not to be trusted. As for my post containing no discussion, Keith, your posts are not part of any discussion because you don't listen to other people, you adhere obsessively to a predigested point of view, you are in denial all the time and you constantly try to set traps and refuse to let dead horses lie in peace. You are an impediment to discussion. The sooner the rest of us realise that you are just a slightly wacky, shallow, sidelined also-ran and refuse to engage in your pathetic trickery the better. We're fools to ourselves when we engage you and we are giving you a totally false sense of your own importance. And it's not as if the whole world is listening, is it?