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Thread #160410   Message #3826056
Posted By: Dave the Gnome
12-Dec-16 - 01:52 PM
Thread Name: BS: Labour party discussion
Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
Hi Keith

Dave,
why are people saying it is rampant within the Labour party I wonder?

No-one is or has said that Dave.


I quote directly from the article linked by bobad on 9th Dec. "Most recently, Corbyn has come under fire for his failure to properly address rampant Jew-hatred and antisemitic anti-Zionism within his own party." Do you still dispute that the statement that it is rampant in the Labour party has been used?

and that seems to be the only example that can be verified

Others are referred to in those Guardian links I gave yesterday.
Then there are Livingstone's.
Also Marc Wadsworth.


So, they were referred to. What antisemitic phrases were used? Have Livingstone and Wadsworth been arrested for hate crimes? Post what they say not what other people say. Let us make our own minds up whether it is antisemitic, rather than rely on the words of journalists.

Disputed by who Dave? Just you three I think.
Can you quote anyone else disputing it.


There are many people who dispute the definition of antisemitism being used. Including people like Noam Chomsky who categorically states that criticism of the state of Israel is not antisemitism. But even if there were not so many or none so distinguished, it would still be true that it is a disputed definition.

My question, as stated many times, is why it is an issue for the Labour party

Why indeed. It is though.


Once again you have failed to answer the question. If you do not know the answer, fine, just say so. But please stop referring to it if you have nothing to add.

My questions are a genuine attempt to get to the bottom of what is obviously a very complex issue. I don't think we will find all the answers here and I, for one, will be happy in the knowledge that I have at least learned something. There is nothing black and white about this. No winners or losers. Better to be sympathetic to all than adversarial. In my opinion.

Cheers

DtG