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Thread #161183   Message #3828957
Posted By: Teribus
27-Dec-16 - 08:19 AM
Thread Name: BS: A new political low take 2
Subject: RE: BS: A new political low take 2
Far from my questions being irrelevant as you put DtG - Your reluctance to address them stems from the fact that it was YOU who were the one that did the linking, based on absolutely nothing.

Nigel Farage did not make any reference at all to the murder of Jo Cox, and most certainly did not make any reference to any association between Brendan Cox or the person who killed her (Please note NO right wing organisation had any connection with the death of Jo Cox - If you dispute that then offer up some hard substantive evidence - I am not the slightest bit interested in opinion)

Is "Hope not Hate" an "extremist" organisation?? It is certainly "militant" in what it sees as it's chosen causes that would prompt it to push faux-news knowing it to be inaccurate and misleading - that makes them rather dangerous. Brendan Cox chose "Hope not Hate" as a beneficiary of the funds raised after the his wife's murder - so the link between Brendan Cox and "Hope not Hate" is an undeniable fact.

As a result of this exchange "Hope not Hate" has resorted to crowdfunding to raise the money it would require to sue Nigel Farage (Apparently the sums of money they get from Trades Unions and the Jo Cox Fund aren't sufficient). I pray that Hope Not Hate does sue Farage because it will allow this debate to move beyond arrogant, politically partisan virtue signalling to a genuine examination of the facts.

1: Is Hope Not Hate really "a well-respected, civil society organisation"? I would remind you that it was not Farage but that bastion of rational and independent journalism - The Economist - which revealed that Hope not Hate exaggerated 'hate speech' claims by over 3000 percent following the murder of Jo Cox MP. The Hope not Hate website has also published opinion columns by Fiyaz Mughal, director of the 'anti-Islamophobia' website Tell Mama - which itself lost all its Government funding after hugely inflating the number of hate crimes following the murder of Lee Rigby.

Not much respect there then - especially for the facts.

2: I Would point out, too, that it is not Farage, but the former communications advisor of Hate not Hope - Dan Hodges - who says "Hope not Hate" uses "dirty, underhand, low down, unscrupulous" tactics in their efforts to crush political opponents. I think we can probably take the 'civil' out of the 'civil society organisation' assertion.

3: Jo Cox's husband was happy to overtly blame right wingers for creating the context that led to his wife's murder, but that he now expresses a moral objection when Farage, not unreasonably, draws attention to the sadly inconvenient fact that Merkel opened her borders to mass migration despite being warned at the time (not least by ISIS) that killers would be travelling amongst the refugees.

In a Court of Law under rules of evidence I suspect that Hope Not Hate will come off rather the worse in the encounter.