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Thread #160410   Message #3829647
Posted By: Steve Shaw
30-Dec-16 - 04:19 PM
Thread Name: BS: Labour party discussion
Subject: RE: BS: Labour party discussion
Well you see, bobad, yer man in the link fails to realise that THE problem in the Middle East is not "Israel" but the fact that the Israeli regime is happy to be the proxy West in the region and more than happy to have a massive amount of US military and political aid. The upshot is that the Russians have adopted Islamist states in the region as their proxy. The place is a powder keg, not least because Israel has nukes, and Israel is in the thick of it. There will be no peace in the region until the Israeli regime is brought to heel, made to realise that Israel is a tiny country in a diverse region of very big neighbours. The UN has targeted Israel time and time again simply because the US has protected Israel from condemnation time and time again. Open your eyes. And I'd point out to you that yer man is in vehement disagreement with both you and Keith:

"In truth, I believe Israeli settlements to be illegal under international law, built on occupied land, and that Netanyahu has been uncooperative while in office..."

He is also deluded about a future Palestinian state which contains Israeli settlements. The settlements are on the best land and their occupants would be by far the wealthiest in the new state. Anyone who thinks that is viable, from either side of the argument, is in cloud cuckoo land. The region is heading inexorably for a single state. Ultimately, as I heard someone saying today, the choice for Israel will then be either to give up democracy or give up being a Jewish state. Israel's hubris-filled leaders are being incredibly short-sighted. A two-state solution requires settlement land to be handed back. That's the reality whatever your personal ideology tells you. And reality also dictates that it will never happen.