Keith A, Akenaton, you obviously forget that what is required as proof and substantiation to back any case either of you put forward is completely different to what is required from the likes of Steve Shaw, Jim Carroll, DtG and the rest of the "usual suspects", should any ever be required at all {Not that they ever feel as though they have to substantiate any claim they make}. In the case of Jim Carroll he does not have the foggiest notion what actually does constitute "evidence" and relies solely on quoting "opinions" that match his own and calling it "fact".