I accept your point Dave O and withdraw "universally".....There are "Liberals" everywhere quite prepared to cut off their noses...and everyone else's to protect what they imagine to be left wing ideology.

"Obamacare" has been a failure. A political trade off which did not work.

For your information and in spite of your patronising ignorance, my friends are not of the "nutty right" and they do exist.
One I have known since childhood.

Given your history here I thought you would have learned by now that I never knowingly lie on this forum.