We can surely debate without digging at people anyway? By that I mean not only the digs there has been at the recipients of the awards but also the dig at Dick! If he feels proud of what he views is an achievement then why should it be dismissed or belittled by someone else who doesn't know the facts? As Al pointed out!

I like a debate with the best of them and I can be a stubborn so and so but try and keep off the personal stuff!