Ah - what the hell - I can do this and carry on with the desk work.
No Traveller signs.
I explained I had been part of a photographing campaign that lasted for several years, trying to get the practice of putting these signs up
I linked you to one of these photographs which had been part of the notes to a CD of Travellers we had put out
I provided documented evidence from organisations like The Runnymede Trust, who had documented these signs and produced descriptions of court cases
I even described having visited 2 pubs in the Bristol area which were still displaying those notices at the time of out argument
I provided links to a book entitled 'Gypsies' by prominent civil servant, Sir Angus Fraser, which features a chapter of these signs and points out that they were common because Travelers were not protected under the race- discrimination laws.
After all of this, you still denied that they were common and at several stages, became abusive and called me a liar and a bigot.
If this is not defending these signs, I don;t know what is
These are some of the samples of around 90 postings you made on the 'No Travellers site
I have little doubt that, having denied defending these signs, you will now attempt to reopen the argument and claim they were not around as I said they were.
I thinl 90 postings from you are quite enough - don't you?

Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 29 Aug 12 - 03:16 PM
Jim, you said they were common, I said I had never seen one, and you accused me of lying.
I am no liar, and nor are the others who have never seen one.
You know that they have been illegal here for fourty four years.
Your contention is that the people here are so racist they ignore the law, and the police so racist they allow it.
You are wrong about our people.
Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 29 Aug 12 - 03:21 PM
Sorry, illegal for FOURTY SIX YEARS !
Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 02:57 AM
Jim Carroll, you were wrong to state that" "No Travellers Served" is a common notice throughout Britain "
It is not
Most of us have never seen one in our lives, and to say that does not make us liars or racists.
Far from being common, they are extraordinarily rare, and probably do not exist any more.
You were wrong to suggest that the British people are so racist they ignore the laws.
You were wrong to suggest that the British police are so racist they allow it.
You were wrong about us.
You were wrong about me.
Thank you.
keith.
Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:38 AM
I have never seen one, and most contributors have not.
That means they are not common.
I am challenging nothing else Jim, but you stated they were common and I disagree.
They are not common.
If they exist at all they are extraordinarily rare.
You were wrong.
Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 03:40 AM
You are in England now right?
Found any?
Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 05:29 AM
You said " "No Travellers Served" is a common notice throughout Britain "
I know from my own experience that it is not.
You said "Because a handful of individuals here have not seen them is no proof whatever that they do not exist in the numbers that have been quoted"
I think it is proof.
How many "individuals" accepted that the notice IS common throughout Britain?
Answer NONE.
You were wrong about us, and about me.
(AGAIN!)

From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 06:22 AM
"YOU HAVE BEEN GIVEN ACCESS TO HUNDREDS OF PAGES OF OFFICIALLY RESEARCHED AND ANECDOTAL EVIDENCE"
Jim, those of us who live in this country do not need your experts to tell us what it is like.
We live here.
I rate the objectivity of a cross section of Mudcatters way above that of your agenda ridden spokespersons trying to justify their pay-packets.
"No Travellers Served" is NOT a common notice throughout Britain.

Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 01:52 PM
There are lots of pitches around Hertford.
Just no signs.
Your Glasgow friend said they WERE common once.
None now then.

Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 30 Aug 12 - 05:19 PM
Are you implying that the poster is lying and not that the notice was taken down so as not to spoil the photograph and frighten the horses?
Yes I am.
He is a troll.
There is nothing on streetview picture either.
If it were a real post I would check further.
Just a troll.

Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 31 Aug 12 - 04:10 AM
Jim, are we British "deeply racist" by our genes or are we culturally implanted with it?
Keith has just accused a poster of lying on the basis that a publican wishing to publicise his pub could quite possibly have removed a 'no Traveller' notice before taking a publicity photograph
No Jim.
I was prepared to believe it and began looking in to it.
Then I noticed that the troll had never posted here before.
He was just winding us up, but you could give the place a call or visit them next week.

Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 11 Sep 12 - 03:33 AM
I just said that the signs are not "common throughout Britain."

Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 11 Sep 12 - 05:58 AM
Jim, you stated that ""No Travellers Served" is a common notice throughout Britain "
I denied it.
I was right and you were wrong, as usual.
All the evidence you put up was gone through by CS, and found not to be evidence at all.
The first hand evidence of numerous Mudcatters actual experience clearly showed that the signs are NOT common throughout Britain.
You were wrong about that Jim, and that is all I have argued.

Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 11 Sep 12 - 06:02 AM
Which "two pubs in the Bristol area" Jim?

Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 11 Sep 12 - 08:47 AM
He started this thread in order to challenge the documented abuse of Travellers
No.
It was to find out if "no travellers" signs are common throughout Britain as you claimed.
We found they are not.

Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 12 Sep 12 - 05:04 AM
"An ad hominem is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or unrelated belief of the person supporting it"
I am not a racist.
The British are not deeply racist.
Those signs are not remotely common throughout Britain.
There are not two pubs in Bristol displaying those signs.
Jim is a shocking liar and a deeply prejudiced bigot.

Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 03:02 AM
So you have finally stopped trying to defend the ludicrously indefensible Jim.
We have hundreds of Mudcatter years of never seeing one, yet you claim to have found two in less than a week.
If you want to be believed, identify the pubs so someone can discreetly check.
Re the ad hominem thing;
It was not a racist theory because the proponents had impeccable anti-racist credentials and most were Pakistanis.
Certainly not racist to just report it!
The question is not why I came to believe them, but why anyone should imagine they know better.
To be blunt, why would any sentient, rational person dismiss all those lifetimes of experience, and listen to a twat like you?

Subject: RE: BS: 'NoTravellers'common UK sign?
From: Keith A of Hertford - PM
Date: 14 Sep 12 - 04:21 AM
I sincerely wish you well with your medical troubles Jim.
No-one here would cause any trouble over those pubs if they exist.
We could circulate it by pm and be very discreet, as I said.
I think you made them up Jim, but am prepared to be proved wrong.