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Thread #161452   Message #3845791
Posted By: Teribus
20-Mar-17 - 07:14 AM
Thread Name: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
Subject: RE: BS: Uk Labour Party discussion II
This thread is now over 1500 posts long.

Interesting to point out that points put forward by Shaw/Carroll & Co have all been shown false.

Anti-Semitism in the Labour Party? Shaw & Co denied there was any - false, Ken Livingstone still remains suspended from the Labour Party for his anti-Semitic views and comments. The Gnome stated that ant- semitism was no worse in the Labour Party than in any other organisation - false. If "Travellers" get to decide what constitutes "anti-Traveller" discrimination, then Jews get to decide what constitutes anti-Semitism and wrt the political parties in the UK the poll carried out by the Campaign Against Anti-Semitism resulted in a sliding scale of trust with regard to the degree of anti-Semitism they expect to encounter within the UK's political parties. The question asked was as follows:

"Do you feel that any political parties are too tolerant of anti-Semitism among their MPs, members and supporters?"

- 87% responded affirmatively in relation to the Labour Party;
- 49% for the Green Party;
- 43% for UKIP;
- 40% for the SNP;
- 37% for the Liberal Democrats;
- 13% for the Conservative Party.

So not the same across the board at all Gnome if you take the word of those who would be on the receiving end of it.

Carroll made a big thing about the rise in hate crime caused by the result of the Brexit vote and the increase in xenophobia in the UK. Bobad made the perfectly true statement that when it comes to hate crimes based on religion attacks against Jews far outnumber those against any other religious group combined - he even produced the figures and statistics to prove that. Carroll/Shaw & Co could come up with nothing to refute the claim made by bobad although Shaw ended up saying that hate crime figures are insignificant in the greater scheme of things, which sort of blows Carroll's hate crime tidal surge out of the water doesn't it?

Someone said they were tired of people dragging up old threads yet from our clique of "usual Suspects", we have threads dragged up from 2011, 2012 and 2014 - your arguments were successfully challenged, countered and refuted then and they have been here yet one more time.

"Travellers Not Welcome Here" signs (The 2011 thread resurrected by Carroll) - I have never ever seen one single example of such a sign anywhere I have travelled in the UK, yet Carroll says that they are common - false, they are not.